In a arise of a Ailes resignation, we plead workplace passionate harassment
August 17, 2016 - Picnic Time
JUDY WOODRUFF: But, first, an refurbish on a fallout during FOX News over allegations that a co-founder, Roger Ailes, intimately tormented women employees for years.
Ailes quiescent in late Jul with a reported $40 million separation package, that after a lawsuit by former FOX anchor Gretchen Carlson purported that her uncover was canceled given she’d rebuffed passionate advances from Ailes.
In a following weeks, a flourishing series of women, including prime-time anchor Megyn Kelly, reportedly came brazen with identical stories of impropriety. Ailes has called Ms. Carlson’s accusations false. And an inner review by FOX’s primogenitor association is still underneath way.
For a closer look, not customarily during this case, though during a wider matter of passionate nuisance in a workplace, we spin to Sarah Ellison, a contributing editor during “Vanity Fair.” She recently reported on a Ailes allegations. And Shelley Ross, she’s a former network radio news executive, best famous for her 17-year reign during ABC News. She recently wrote about her possess veteran practice with Roger Ailes, and a news business during large, in The Daily Beast.
And we acquire both of we to a program.
And we should note during a outset, Roger Ailes behind in a news currently given of a New York Times news that he’s now advising Donald Trump’s campaign. And we should contend a debate denies that.
But, Sarah Ellison, we wish to spin to we first.
What is a state of what is famous about Roger Ailes’ purported nuisance of women during FOX News?
SARAH ELLISON, Vanity Fair: Well, we know — largely, what we know is what we have schooled from a reporting, that is that a inner review that is ongoing that we referred to progressing has identified during slightest women in a double digits who have come brazen and oral to a inner investigation.
And we know that it was something that concerned Ailes certainly. There are people who have come out and told their stories, though there are people who have not nonetheless come forward, and we consider that we’re going to see some-more women, even some-more women come brazen in a entrance days.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Now, we should contend that he’s denied any wrongdoing.
SARAH ELLISON: That’s right.
JUDY WOODRUFF: He did reportedly accept this $40 million allotment when he left FOX. Does that meant he’s legally giveaway and clear, whatever is discovered?
SARAH ELLISON: Well, no, we don’t know that any kind of a contractual arrangement could indeed put someone legally giveaway and transparent from any kind of behavior.
I mean, one of a things that we know and that we reported final week was that there are — in a march of this — these discussions that have been going on with a inner review and also with a women who primarily brought a lawsuit opposite Roger Ailes, Gretchen Carlson, is that there have been some allotment discussions that have begun.
And during emanate in a allotment discussions are tapes that mixed women, including Gretchen Carlson, have finished of their interactions with Roger Ailes. And a fact that those are now circulating, during slightest among a people who are deliberating this probable settlement, usually creates each bit of this a bit some-more explosive.
JUDY WOODRUFF: So, Sarah Ellison, one more. Is there afterwards a intensity for some-more authorised movement opposite Roger Ailes?
SARAH ELLISON: Well, what we have seen in a press, we — again, he denies any kind of wrongdoing. But there are — over passionate nuisance charges, there are arrange of danger and bullying and leaking stories about people.
It’s not transparent to me if he was regulating a association income to settle mixed lawsuits opposite mixed women and not disclosing that. we don’t know during what indicate that reaches a spin that corporate governance experts or FEC people would be meddlesome in, or during what indicate any of this becomes indeed criminal.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And that is a doubt we can’t know a answer to during this point.
Shelley Ross, let me spin to we now. You did write that we have famous Roger Ailes for — given a commencement of your career, practically. You wrote of assembly him over lunch. He finished — due what we described as a passionate fondness as we were going to work for him.
Your counsel contacted his lawyers. He afterwards apologized. You did work with him. You have given stayed in hold with him over a years.
But we go on to contend — in this essay we wrote in The Daily Beast, we said, “Sexual nuisance in network radio is pervasive.”
How pervasive is it?
SHELLEY ROSS, Former Network News Executive: It’s everywhere. It’s everywhere we worked. And it has many levels, many faces. Being thrown into a swimming pool on a association cruise is passionate harassment. It’s an act of hostility.
I was a one during ABC, we was a writer doing a unequivocally initial stories on passionate nuisance around a time of Anita Hill’s testimony opposite Clarence Thomas. And my trainer presented me with a birthday cake with a phallus on it.
It’s a antagonistic environment. we know executive producers who spin to their immature girls on their staff, and, “I haven’t had my morning hug.”
I was once — as we was withdrawal ABC, we had a match squeeze me and squeeze my behind and pronounced to me, “I can do this now that you’re no longer my boss.”
And we stepped behind and said, “No, we can’t.”
It’s flattering ugly. It’s — a reason we wrote this square in The Daily Beast is that we have got to stop, we have got a finish nuisance now.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Shelley Ross, let me usually stop we there. Do we consider it’s worse in a news business than it is opposite a house for women?
SHELLEY ROSS: No, we don’t consider it’s any different.
It’s usually we think, given we news on it, that a colleagues should know better, that they should be a small some-more elevated. And they’re not.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And do we — no, go ahead. What were we going to say?
SHELLEY ROSS: It’s group and women. we have had a lot of group and former masculine colleagues strech out to me given we wrote The Daily Beast essay to tell me things have happened to them years ago. And they sound as scarred as women in a workplace.
JUDY WOODRUFF: And we do go on, Shelley Ross, to write about what we consider needs to be done, that there usually needs to be some-more candor. Explain what you’re articulate about.
SHELLEY ROSS: Well, we think, even during FOX — we consider FOX has a event — now that Bill Shine, who was Roger Ailes’ series two, has spin president, we consider — everybody thinks he’s a unequivocally good man and he’s unequivocally popular. But he has an event to spin a hero.
He could say, we wish FOX News to spin a safest place in a universe for group and women. we consider there has to be open airings. What customarily happens, that happened during FOX for 20 years, is a lady is intimately harassed. Where do they go? They go to tellurian resources.
Human resources is operative for a corporation. They don’t wish a lawsuit. So, there is a settlement. There’s hush income paid. And there’s a nondisclosure. So, all is swept underneath a carpet. And it goes on and on and on.
And we contend we need something same to a Truth and Reconciliation hearings after apartheid in 1974. Nelson…
JUDY WOODRUFF: In South Africa?
SHELLEY ROSS: Yes.
Nelson Mandela had a good thought to say, come forward, transparent a air, though any retribution, and we can all pierce brazen safely.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, let me spin to Sarah Ellison.
Having created as most as we have about what happened during FOX, and we know you’re informed with other news organizations, either it’s something accurately like what Shelley Ross describes or something same to that, what do we see as a genuine intensity resolution here, or is there one?
SARAH ELLISON: Well, we mean, we can tell we what is function during FOX News, and — with a inner review that is ongoing.
And that is that someone unequivocally tighten to that pronounced to me, this is not a therapy event for a women involved. This is a law organisation that has been hired to give authorised recommendation to 21st Century Fox.
So, we don’t wish to — we consider that what Shelley is proposing is utterly interesting. And there has been some mouth use paid to a idea that they wish to emanate a unequivocally protected place to work, though it’s — we demeanour during how pervasive this is in something like television, and where people are invited to criticism in a newsroom on how someone looks on air, and people are constantly articulate about coming and weight and hair and makeup.
I mean, we consider it’s a unequivocally formidable environment. we can tell we customarily what I’m saying reveal so far, and it’s not that promising.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, we — this is a theme that’s much, most bigger than what we have time for tonight. But we appreciate both of we for positively giving us something to consider about.
SARAH ELLISON: Thank you.
JUDY WOODRUFF: Shelley Ross and Sarah Ellison, we appreciate you.
SHELLEY ROSS: Thank you.